Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Jefferson On Religion

For some reason last week while in deep contemplation the thought of Jeffersonian religious thought invaded my meditation, which led me to reflect on what is meant by freedom of religion, and the separation of church and state, maybe due to the fact that some of the most celebrated Christian Holidays are coming up soon.

Although Jefferson was a Christian, in that he thought that Christ’s teachings were, "outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man." he was often accused of being a libertine, or an atheist, because of his rather unorthodox approach to “religion”. He is often times referred to as a Deist, in other words, Jefferson believed in the existence of a Supreme Being who was the creator, and sustainer of the universe and the ultimate ground of being, but this was not the triune deity of orthodox Christianity, he did not believe in the divinity of Jesus, even though as stated above he held that Jesus was the greatest of moral teachers.

The reason I bring up his personal belief is that I feel it is reflected in his statements regarding putting up a “wall between church and state”. He rightfully accused religions of the past of using their “power” for tyrannical control over a populous, and that government that established a “state” religion where guilty of the same tyrannical despotism.

What I have argued in the past, as have others who consider themselves Christians, is that our country was founded on Christian principles, and therefore the exclusion of the mention of Christian holidays, celebrations, and moral imperatives, such as the case against abortion, is contrary to the original intent of the founding fathers.

The argument on the other side of the debate states that the founding fathers and in particular Jefferson wanted no mention of ANY religion in the schools, or in any public institution. That religion was personal and should be kept separate.

Both are valid interpretations, but taken to the extreme on both sides.

Jefferson’s writings and statements I feel have been taken out of context to forward the thinking of the “no religious mention at all in public” types. For instance one quote (half quote) that is often used is one in which involved the Elementary School Act of 1817. The partial quote they use is: "No religious reading, instruction or exercise, shall be prescribed or practiced [in the elementary schools]…

However the whole quote says something quite different.

"No religious reading, instruction or exercise, shall be prescribed or practiced [in the elementary schools] inconsistent with the tenets of any religious sect or denomination."

This is quite different than banning all mention of religion in public schools, but in fact ONLY states that the banning of ANY books or materials regardless of subject (including that of a religious nature) is not acceptable, that any particularly denominational instruction or exercise, such as saying the Our Father, or reciting the Koran as a required function of everyday procedure was not to be allowed. However It did not ban the personal prayer in a school or government edifice.

The anti-religion groups have interpreted the separation of church and state in the severest of terms, to completely remove all mention and public expression of religion, using Jefferson’s criticism of organized church as their foundation. However, Jefferson although not a Christian by orthodox standards also believed that the decision was up to the individual AND COMMUNITY and that in a free society that expression was not to be suppressed in ANY way in particular by Federal Government edict.

Jefferson stated in a letter to Samuel Miller in 1808: "I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from inter-meddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General (Federal) Government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority."

On the other side of the argument are the fundamentalist Christians that insist that Christianity, in particular, is the foundation of the country and those things such as prayer in school, the national celebration of Christmas et.al were understood to be a major part of this countries culture.

The truth is that religious Holiday celebration such as Christmas was outlawed in Puritan New England until 1856, so six of the thirteen original colonies didn’t even allow Christmas celebration as we do today. This restriction was based on the RELIGIOUS principles of the Puritan controlled government, and more than likely one of the things that Jefferson so abhorred. However it was the states that chose this restriction and not the Federal Government.

Things such as the Pledge of Allegiance didn’t have the statement One Nation under God until 1954 or in God we trust on our money until 1957, both initiated due to the Cold War fear of Godless communism.

In summation both sides have valid points, and both appear to be using Jefferson as their Champion, however if Jefferson’s writings are taken as a whole and not expurgated or take out of context the separation of religious practice and government went BOTH ways. Neither group should hold judgment or control over the other. To ban the FREE expression of a religious event of ANY denomination or belief system was in his mind as repugnant as civil law being decided on by any religious group or Church.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Excellent post Pat. A quick comment on school prayer. I have no problems with prayer in public schools or even a bibel study class held after school or religious natured clubs. I DO have a problem with it being mandated though. I should not have to take part in anything associated with religion in any location if I don't want to.

another quick point, it is not only Jefferson that many I know champion as their cause between the separation of church and State, Madison and a type of interpretation of the first amendment and the original constitution before even the bill of rights was added all come into play in a big way.

Patrick J Cambio said...

Rob, thanks I thought you would appreciate that post and you are right there were a host of others that felt similarly.

The problem is that we have to extremes trying to make their way the only way. Both the total irradiation of religion or the total immersion of religion is bad.

As governor Palin has expressed she is not in favor of teaching of creationism in schools but neither is she opposed to open discussion of creationism vs evolution.

This like many other subjects that the pols express their opinion on is often taken out of context and used by the opposing side, especially in an election year to discredit.

I like you do not want to be forced to pray or NOT pray in school, if a child wishes to take his or her recess time and kneel before his or her god than it is their right to do so, inversely other children should not be required to recite or pay homage to a god they may or many not believe in.

Anonymous said...

Here is where I think you are incorrect. No one is trying to get rid of religion. People are simply trying to put it into its proper sphere.

If you read the first amendment, it clearly states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

these clauses are separate yet the same. Congress can't make a law prohibiting someone from praying in a public school. That would be a prohibition of religion.

However, if you look at the free exercise clause, it does not contain the word religion, they can make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Thereof refers to the word religion in the estblishment clause, meaning that everything that can not be prohibited can not be established either. So since we can't prohibit school prayer, we can't require it because just as prohibiting it would be prohibiting the free exercise of religion, so to would requiring school prayer be an establishment of religion.

In god we trust, god in the pedge, and the chaplians in congress are violation of the constitution because they only way you have god, is if you have religion.

Patrick J Cambio said...

Rob I have read and re-read your reply I have yet to find where we disagree, accept for the fact that there are some that want total erasure of ANY mention of religion in the public schools, which you think not.

Yes, most like you are tolerant and open to others expression of faith, but there most assuredly are those that want a total ban on anything "religious".

Outside of that I agree with your summation.